http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/ This is a discussion forum for four wheeling in Southern Colorado en Fri, 18 May 2012 14:03:38 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/images/misc/rss.png http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/ http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3303-We-re-Back!&goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 14:40:27 GMT Although I still have some work to do on the website, enough of the upgrade is completed that I felt I could open the site and forums up to club members. Welcome Back. If you have encounter issues with the site, please post the information in this thread/forum and I will work them as time... Although I still have some work to do on the website, enough of the upgrade is completed that I felt I could open the site and forums up to club members. Welcome Back.


If you have encounter issues with the site, please post the information in this thread/forum and I will work them as time permits.


I'm sure you'll also notice right away that I've gone with a significantly simplified approach to the updated site. If there is something I took away that you feel we can't live without... post comments here in this thread. ]]> Website and Forum Comments Navi-Guesser http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3303-We-re-Back! http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3302-2012-Newsletters&goto=newpost Sun, 13 May 2012 21:20:53 GMT Click on the Links below to view the 2012 newsletters 1st Quarter (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-cAsVUAToZpbm4wWWFzM2xuV28) Click on the Links below to view the 2012 newsletters


1st Quarter ]]> Newsletters Navi-Guesser http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3302-2012-Newsletters http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3301-2011-Newsletters&goto=newpost Sun, 13 May 2012 21:20:06 GMT Click on the Links below to view the 2011 newsletters 4th Quarter (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-cAsVUAToZpTGkxdjhTWTA2NW8) 3rd Quarter (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-cAsVUAToZpVXU4TTdPM04yTWM) 2nd Quarter (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-cAsVUAToZpYWthd3VTOC1kV3c) 1st... Click on the Links below to view the 2011 newsletters

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3rd Quarter ]]> Newsletters Navi-Guesser http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3299-2009-Newsletters http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3297-Memorial-Day-Weekend-Trip-Suggestions&goto=newpost Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:27:30 GMT Hey all... let's plan something for the Memorial Day Weekend! Let's make it a family over-nighter and get some camping in! I'm new to the area so I have no idea what trails to suggest. Let's make some great memories! ]]> General Chit Chat bdmckenna http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3297-Memorial-Day-Weekend-Trip-Suggestions http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3296-Need-help-Monday&goto=newpost Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:23:43 GMT Anyone free Monday. I think I am buying a car that has to be towed home from Denver. I will buy lunch!

And if anyone has truck/trailer I will pay for gas! Otherwise it will be fun drive with tow rope! lol

Can't wait! http://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/2957306602.html ]]> General Chit Chat raynmaker http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3296-Need-help-Monday http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3295-Colorado-Lawsuit-Updates&goto=newpost Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:52:39 GMT There have been some developments in the Forest Service travel management suits winding their way through the U.S. District of Colorado and the Colorado State Parks Lawsuit. *Pike /San Isabel* The first suit was filed on January 31, 2011 by... There have been some developments in the Forest Service travel management suits winding their way through the U.S. District of Colorado and the Colorado State Parks Lawsuit.

Pike /San Isabel

The first suit was filed on January 31, 2011 by anti-access plaintiffs including The Wilderness Society, Quiet Use Coalition, Wildlands CPR, Center for Native Ecosystems and Great Old Broads for Wilderness regarding the Pike and San Isabel Forests. COHVCO and TPA intervened with the Forest Service to defend this lawsuit which could impact every MVUM that has grandfathered existing usages. These defense expenses are being born solely by Colorado OHV advocacy groups. This case seeks to remove any trails that predated NEPA and were grandfathered in the creation of PSI MVUMs. The exact impact of this suit is yet to be clarified but this suit could impact trails such as the Blanca Peak 4wd trail.

The case was before Senior U.S. District Judge John Kane on March 20, 2011 over a dispute about the administrative record. Plaintiffs moved to strike ten (10) documents from the administrative record, contending they were after-the-fact oral recounts from Forest Service personnel. On March 30, 2012 Judge Kane issued an order agreeing with the plaintiffs and striking the documents, but stating that the Forest Service could file a motion before April 13, 2012 to have the materials considered via completion or supplementation of the record. The first brief on the merits of the legal challenges to the Pike and San Isabel travel maps will be due 60 days after the administrative record issues are resolved. So if the Forest Service does not file the motion to add the extra record materials the merits will be briefed starting in June, 2012. If the Forest Service files the motion briefing will likely not occur until this fall.

Rico/West DeLores

While the second suit on the Rico West Dolores Area of the San Juan Forest was filed later it is moving at a much faster pace. This case is being brought by Colorado Backcountry Hunters and Anglers and seeks closure of 14 trails which have long been open to motorized travel in the area known as the Alpine Triangle. COHVCO, The Trails Preservation Alliance, Blue Ribbon Coalition, the San Juan Trail Riders and the Public Access Preservation Association and intervened to defend this matter with the Forest Service. Notwithstanding this long history of motorized usage, the plaintiff has moved for a preliminary injunction closing these trails before June 1, 2012. The Forest Service will respond to the preliminary injunction motion on April 25th and OHV Intervenors COHVCO et al will respond on April 30th. The plaintiffs will get a reply on May 14th and have asked for oral argument on their motion sometime in late May. The motion for preliminary injunction has been assigned to U.S. District Judge Marcia Krieger.

A preliminary injunction is an extraordinary remedy and one which we intend to vigorously oppose. To get an injunction CBHA must not only show that they are likely to succeed on the merits of their claims, but also that irreparable injury is likely in the absence of an injunction, and that the balance of hardships and public interest tip in favor of granting an injunction. It is essential that the OHV and multiple use community provide strong support for the advocacy effort so that we can assist the Forest Service in successfully repelling this anti-access attack.

State Parks Board

COHVCO was forced to sue the Colorado State Parks Board after there were numerous proposals to provide money paid for OHV registrations for grants that were outside the scope of authority of the State OHV statute. The Trails Preservation Alliance has partnered with COHVCO to split the significant costs of this suit. These illegal uses included funding municipal law enforcement that could be used for a variety of non-motorized activities and maintenance of non-motorized trails. During this process, several violations of Colorado's Open Meetings Law occurred. These violations were admitted by the State. The Judge unfortunately did not grasp details and seemed predisposed to let the agency off the hook

Despite the admission of the Open Meetings Law violations the District Court ruled against COHVCO on all issues. This decision is being appealed and we hope for a better outcome at the appeals court level. The Appeal brief in the appeal is not due till October. The draft appeal documents have been reviewed and submitted to the Court- our outlook is very optimistic for a ruling in our favor on this issue ]]> Land Use Issues Kevin http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3295-Colorado-Lawsuit-Updates http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3294-JK-Fires&goto=newpost Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:06:19 GMT There was a small article in the Gazette today. Here's additional info from the web.

U.S. safety regulators have expanded an investigation into 23 complaints of fires in Jeep Wrangler SUVs. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration hasn't figured out what caused the fires, but it's asking carmaker Chrysler for information on Wranglers from the 2007 through 2012 model years. When it began March 28, the probe centered on vehicles from the 2010 model year.

The classic Wrangler is among Chrysler's more popular models. Chrysler sold more than 532,000 Wranglers from 2007 through March. It's unknown how many are affected by the investigation.

The probe comes at a critical time for Chrysler, which has had quality problems in the past but showed improvement in an annual study by Consumer Reports magazine. The company, which is majority owned by Italian automaker Fiat SpA, is making a remarkable comeback from its 2009 bankruptcy and restructuring. It posted a net profit last year for the first time since 1997.

NHTSA said on its website Wednesday that it has received 23 complaints about fires in Wranglers from the six model years. Four people were hurt, including three who received minor burns and one whose injuries were not explained in the complaints. Two houses were damaged.

The safety agency is focusing on overheated transmission fluid and electrical wiring as possible causes. It has asked Chrysler for information about allegations of smoke or fire in Wrangler engine compartments. The company has until May 22 to respond. It's common for the agency to expand investigations to include similar vehicles. The investigation could lead to a recall, but there isn't one yet.

Chrysler spokesman Eric Mayne said in an e-mail that the company was aware of a small number of fires in Wranglers and is cooperating with the investigation. Vehicle fires, he says, are complex and can occur for many reasons unrelated to the vehicle's design and manufacture.

"Poor maintenance, improper vehicle use or installation of aftermarket equipment often are causes of vehicle fires," he says.

In one of the complaints NHTSA received, the owner of a 2007 Wrangler said it caught fire in a driveway on Feb. 15 and exploded, setting the nearby house on fire. Another owner said a 2009 Wrangler was sitting in a garage on March 10, 2010, when its engine compartment caught fire, destroying the Jeep and damaging the home to which the garage was attached.

The owner of a 2008 Wrangler reported smelling something burning while driving 55 mph. After the owner pulled over, the Wrangler was quickly engulfed in flames. The driver and two passengers had minor burns to their faces and arms, according to the complaint. Firefighters put out the flames and told the owner that transmission fluid boiled into the engine and transmission, causing the fire. ]]> General Chit Chat G-Man http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3294-JK-Fires http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3293-Powder-Coating&goto=newpost Thu, 12 Apr 2012 03:39:43 GMT Anyone have any recommendations for someone in the area that does Powder Coating? Anyone have any recommendations for someone in the area that does Powder Coating? ]]> General Chit Chat bdmckenna http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3293-Powder-Coating http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3292-CFW-Facebook-Page&goto=newpost Wed, 11 Apr 2012 04:21:52 GMT http://www.facebook.com/CFWCOS

Like us.

I'm still making changes to the page. So please bare with me.

Thanks. ]]> General Chit Chat JeePR711 http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3292-CFW-Facebook-Page http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3291-test&goto=newpost Mon, 09 Apr 2012 02:26:15 GMT test test test test test test ]]> Business Section Giggles http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3291-test http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3290-Anybody-with-a-flat-bed-trailer-today&goto=newpost Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:39:16 GMT Need some help for a few hours today. Need a YJ tub and frame moved from falcon into the springs area. Trading it for a bunch of XJ parts that I got for a new family wheeler. Any help I can get would be greatly appreciated. Thx, can call or text me at 254-290-1041 Of course will pay for gas and... Need some help for a few hours today. Need a YJ tub and frame moved from falcon into the springs area. Trading it for a bunch of XJ parts that I got for a new family wheeler. Any help I can get would be greatly appreciated. Thx, can call or text me at 254-290-1041

Of course will pay for gas and or beer afterwards! ]]> General Chit Chat Super D http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3290-Anybody-with-a-flat-bed-trailer-today http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3289-Problem-with-my-CJ&goto=newpost Thu, 05 Apr 2012 00:20:10 GMT Hey everyone, I have a problem with my Jeep that has me stumped. :sAng_banghead:

Here's how it started: I was on my way up old stage road going to test my new suspension on a trail or two. My engine was doing good, when it kinda started missing a little. About a minute later, the engine died. It seemed like it lost electrical power. I checked all the basics... Battery? Good. Fuel? Got it at the carb. Air? Obviously. When I would try and start the engine, it would crank, and crank, and everything would be working fine, but when I let the key go to run, the engine would die. I can even rev the engine when I'm cranking! But as soon as the key goes to run, it's dead. I thought the coil might be bad, so I disconnected it to see if there was a difference. When I did that, the engine would just crank, and not run so the coil is fine and so is the distributor. The starter was making a whirring noise when I'd let the key go to run, so I though it was that. We got the Jeep turned around, and I coasted down the mountain. While the Jeep was moving, the engine would run, but had no accelerator. When I got to the bottom, we replaced the starter. No fix. After a couple hours of trying different things, I connected a jumper from the positive battery terminal strait to the coil to see if I could get power to the coil so the spark plugs would fire. No workie. Then I cut the 2 small wires on the starter relay and spliced them together. I used a wrench to jump the starter to start the engine, and.... Vroom! It worked! It was running just fine.

So I thought I had a bad starter relay. I bought a new one, and just put it on my Jeep. I connected all the wires and cables, put the key in, turned it, and..... SAME STUPID PROBLEM!!!:sAng_banghead:

Does anyone have any ideas? I'm all out. ]]> General Chit Chat heath_stapley http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3289-Problem-with-my-CJ http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3288-Coils-springs&goto=newpost Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:32:42 GMT Looking for a set of stock TJ coil springs. (719) 510-2753, Thanks Looking for a set of stock TJ coil springs. (719) 510-2753, Thanks ]]> Wanted CHRIS http://www.coloradofourwheelers.org/forums/showthread.php?3288-Coils-springs